nor does i think the romney side think sometimes what they accuse obama of. you cannot take this seriously. this is a political year, there's a campaign going on. they will try to do anything they can and especially the other groups out there who paint each other in the most horrible way, that's the way politics is. and for some reason or the other, negative ads play better than positive ads. therefore, you will always play the negative ads. >> i know you haven't decided who you're going to vote for in four weeks' time, but right now, if you had to vote tomorrow, who would you vote for? >> i have to first listen to the debates and then -- >> so they're that important to you. >> it's very important. to me, the debates were absolutely important. there were times when i made a decision way before, like president bush, because of the relationship of the kind of things that he has done for california, for instance, the kind of working relationship that we had and the history and also with senator mccain, i jumped in as soon as he declared because he has been a fri